Of course it’s about her!!!

March 6th, 2008 John McG

Posted in Clinton, Sullivan |

Andrew Sullivan writes:

The Clintons don’t care. This is not about the interests of the Democratic party. It’s all about them.

Well, duh.  Rhetoric aside, the Obama campaign is all about Obama, and the McCain campaign is all about McCain, and all the other candidacies were about themselves.  Nobody is in this, or ever has been in it, purely for the good of their party of the country for that matter.  They all really really want(ed) to be president.   If you don’t really want it, you’re not going to be willing to do everything necessary.  As the Fred Thompson campaign showed, even a bit of ambivalence about wanting to win can be deadly.

And since when did Andrew Sullivan give a damn about “the interests of the Democratic party” anyway?

To put it another way, as daunting as the delegate math looks right now, this is Hillary Clinton’s best chance to be president.  The minute she ends her candidacy, the probability she will ever be president will plummet.  She’s supposed to give that up because Andrew Sullivan finds it unseemly?  Please.

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Andrew Sullivan must be wearing his Bad Idea Jeans

February 26th, 2008 John McG

Posted in Clinton, Sullivan |

After arguing for months about how terrible the Clintons are, how they cling to power, and how Republicans’ only hope is for the Democrats to nominate Clinton, he suggests that she should be the recipient of a President Barack Obama’s first nomiation for a lifetime position on the Supreme Court.

It would be hard to think of five words that could do more to motivate Republicans to vote for McCain than “Supreme Court Justice Hillary Clinton.”

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Christianist / not a Christianist

August 15th, 2007 John McG

Posted in Christianist, Sullivan, Uncategorized |

Daniel Larison and Ross Douthat have good posts in reponse to Andrew Sullivan’s notion that the biggest threat to public discourse is people going around quoting Mother Teresa (rather than say, Sullivan’s own rhetoric during the run-up to the Iraq War which was designed to and suceeded in pre-empting debate and investigation into the matter).

 I guess I’d like to know when religious practice stops becoming veers into poisonous territory.  Which of the following are examples of Chritianism?

  • Because of his religion, someone engages in private prayer.
  • Because of his religion, someone attends church services.
  • Because of his religion, someone attempts to raise his own children according to a moral code.
  • Because of his religion, someone performs some public acts of service for those less fortunate.
  • Because of his religion, someone votes for officials who will enact policies to help those less fortunate.
  • Because of his religion, someone publically supports cnadidates and policies he believes will help those less fortunate.
  • Because of his religion, someone seeks public office to enact policies to help those less fortunate.

I’m guessing this is where people will start to get off the bus, so let’s subdivide these…

  • William Wilberforce seeks to end the slave trade.
  • John Edwards aims to improve the state of the nation’s poor.
  • Sam Brownback seeks to end or reduce abortions.

If Sam Brownback is the only one who crosses the line, why?  Just because you disagree with him?  What if I don’t share John Edwards’s notions about how to help the poor?

  • Because of his religion, someone seeks public office in order to nudge people to his religion, and map civil law to his religion’s precepts.

And I would get off the bus here.

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Sullivanism Watch…

August 13th, 2007 John McG

Posted in Christianist, Sullivan |

At first, I was going to say that Andrew Sullivan had a point with this post:

“All for Jesus. All for Jesus. All for Jesus. All for Jesus,” - Sam Brownback’s stump speech in Iowa. And some say I exaggerate the sectarian nature of the GOP base. 

Well, that certainly sound bad, until one gets the context:

In the portion of the speech that Sager cited, Brownback explained that he met Mother Teresa once, when she came to Congress, and he was given the assignment of accompanying her to her car: ‘As I put her in the car, she grabbed my hand, she looked me in the eyes and said three words four times: ‘All for Jesus.  All for Jesus.  All for Jesus.  All for Jesus.’  It was her faith that powered her to help millions.  Faith is a good thing, not a bad thing.’

 UPDATE: Sullivan notes the context, but doesn’t back off the sentiment:

I suppose it is worth noting that Sam Brownback’s recitation of the “All for Jesus” line is a quote from Mother Teresa that he apparently deploys in his stump speech regularly. It isn’t his original formulation but he uses it to describe his political motivation. It is the core of his political message. In a religious context, it is a vulgar but completely legitimate expression of faith. In a political context in a secular society, it is a toxin that will eventually corrode civil discourse into sectarian warfare. Which is, of course, what the Christianists want. They have the biggest sect, after all.

Well, I’m unconvinced.

Unless Sullivan believes that the abolitionist movement, the civil rights movement, and the American Revolution were similarly corroded by religious motivations and rhetoric. 

Suliivan’s desire to cleanse all political speech of religious rhetoric is much more radical and unconservative than Brownback’s appeals.  Politicians noted that they are inspired to do good by their faith is not new.  Pundits declaring that this will ruin discourse is.

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Sullivanism Watch…

July 23rd, 2007 John McG

Posted in Christianist, Sullivan |


Christainism Watch

“I had one letter from a vicar in England — this is the difference — saying would I please not put Christmas trees at Hogwarts as it was clearly a pagan society. Meanwhile, I’m having death threats when I’m on tour in America,” - J.K. Rowling on the reception given the Harry Potter books.

Er, is this a new dangerous fusion of faith and politics, or just Christians doing things that Sullivan doesn’t like?

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Sullivan’s One Tirick…Exposed

February 7th, 2007 John McG

Posted in Sullivan |

I’ve finally deciphered Andrew Sullivan’s basic rhetorical technique. It goes like this:

1. Highlight and extremist view by someone who disagrees with Sullivan on an issue. Or, portray a view as extreme that really isn’t that extreme.
2. Link that view to mainstream oppposition for the item of disagreement — it helps if he can use an umbrella label for the other side — e.g. “Chritianist,” “theocons”, “spineless left,” etc.
3. Use this link to marginalize all those who disagree with Sullivan on the issue

So, for example, if Sullivan were arguing against having trains to run on time, he would mention that Nazis wanted trains to run on time, then list all of the atrocities committed by the Nazis, and then say this should give some insight into what motivates those who want trains to run on time.

It’s a slightly tricky dance, because Sullivan has to portray a view as extreme and contemptible while at the same time assigning it to most of his opposition. But he has mastered it through years of practice.

Some examples from the curent front page:

  • In this post, Sullivan first writes
    “A National Journal poll shows that 84 percent of a selected group of influential Congressional Republicans deny that there’s a human component to global warming “beyond a reasonable doubt”. The international scientific community puts the likelihod at 90 percent. Whoever these Republicans are, they are not reasonable people, or even vaguely in touch with reality. “

    Whoah there — I think denial or “skepticism” about global warming is pretty silly at this point, but Sullivan hasn’t made the case he’d like you to think he has. He doesn’t provide a link to the poll, but I found one, and the questions was, “Do you think it’s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is warming because of man-made problems?” Answering “no” to that question is not the same thing as denying there’s a human component to global warming.

    It may still be silly to answer “no” to that question, but the evidence Sullivan marshals doesn’t prove it. 90% certain does not equal “beyond a reasonable doubt.” I wouldn’t want to send someone to jail if I was only 90% sure that he was guilty. We shouldn’t have gone to Iraq if there was only a 90% likelhood that Saddam had WMD.

    Sullivan continues…

    from the Christianist wing of the party, we are asked to believe that Ted Haggard is now “completely heterosexual.” (Yes, I know Haggard’s team of reparative therapists are not Republican officials; but their tight connection with the Rove machine has been integral to previous electoral strategies.) Even the “ex-gay” people don’t buy Haggard’s story.

    So, Sullivan admits that nobody really buys this story, but still tries to say it’s typical of the Republican party’s “denial.” Why? Because the therapists’ “tight connection with the Rove machine has been integral to previous electoral strategies.” Hmm, I must have missed the campaign ads saying that gays could be converted. Maybe I need to move to a redder state.

    So, to summarize, Republicans are out of touch because they do not consider a 90% likelihood to be “beyond a reasonable doubt,” and because part of Rove’s strategy is mobilizing the Christian base, and some extreme Christian made a ridiculous claim about Ted Haggard being “completely hereosexual.” Got it.

  • In this post Sullivan finds it troubling that those who believe that unborn children are human persons would be less than enthusiastic about a presidential candidate (Rudy Giuliani) who would continue the legal regime that says killing them is a constitutional right.
    I couldn’t disagree more. And that is the core divide in contemporary conservatism: between fundamentalism and freedom, between a politics based on divine revelation and Thomist law-making and a politics based on man-made law and individual liberty. Giuliani is running as a secular, modern conservative to run what has become a religious, theological party. His fate is going to be a fascinating insight into what American conservatism can now mean. And the Christianists are not going to put up with secular, inclusive, reality-based conservatism.

    Yikes — we’d certainly want to be on the side of “freedom,” “man-made law,” “individual liberty,” secularism, modernism, conservatism, secularism (again), inclusiveness, “reality-based” conservatism (again) rather than “fundamentalism,” “divine revelation,” “Thomist law-making,” and a “religous, theological party.”

    But is the choice so stark? I’m unconvinced.

    Earlier in the post, Sullivan pinpoints the point of contention with “Chrisitanists” belief in the supremacy of “natural law” over “individual liberty,”

    Surely, though, there is a point where natural law does indeed trump individual liberty. I doubt Sullivan would have a problem with child abuse laws, or laws against infanticide of day-old babies. The disagreement isn’t between two completely irreconcilable visions of what the law should be, but a disagreement about the scope of natural law. Does the natural law say the the unborn have a right not to be killed? I say yes; Sullivan and Giuliani say no, or that they’re not sure.

    But that won’t do — it is neccesary to portray his opponents as unreaonable extemists, and if the baby of natural law goes out with that bath water, so be it.

  • Here, Sullivan takes on those of the right who are trying to smear lawyers defending terror suspects (which I agree is despicable). But it concludes with this:
    Reading Steyn’s and Levin’s defenses of the indefensible is a good insight into exactly how uninformed and ignorant parts of the degenerate right have become.

    Thankfully, Sullivan limits the smear to “parts of,” but the general smear is there nonetheless.

  • In this post, Sullivan quotes a study about “extreme fringes of American Catholicism.” The pull quote:
    Few Americans defended Mel Gibson’s drunken rant about the evils of the Jews. But radical traditionalist Catholics did. A three-year investigation of this subculture by the Intelligence Report has found that these Catholic extremists, including the Gibsons, may well represent the largest population of anti-Semites in the United States. Organized into a network of more than a dozen organizations, scores of websites and several extremist churches and monasteries, radical traditionalists in the U.S. are preaching anti-Semitism to as many as 100,000 followers. A few, such as the lawyer for Terri Schiavo’s family, Christopher Ferrara, are even movers and shakers in important right-wing Republican circles.

    Now, I spend a fair amount of time reading Catholic bloggers, the kind that think that Pope Benedict is a liberal squish, criticize bishops if they walk by pro-choice Catholic politicians like Nancy Pelosi, etc. Suffice it to say that this represents the most conservative 5% of American Catholics. And I never saw these defenses of Mel Gibson’s rant. So, this would have to be an extremist faction of an extermist faction. If this is indeed the largest popuation of anti-Semites in the United States, then this is a truly enlightened age.

    The final smear is a nice counter-weight to the above item, though. Whatever you think about the Schiavo case, it seems strange that lawyer who failed to keep Terry Schiavo’s feeding tube on in a state with a Republican governor, and with a Republican presidient and Congress would qualify as a Republican “mover and shaker.”

Of course, this biggest victims of this tactic were those who opposed the invasion of Iraq. They were subject to regular smears, and informed that a few extremist crazies exposed what really fueled the anti-war movement.

Hopefully, we’re smart enough not to fall for it again.

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I take it back — Christianism is a threat..

January 4th, 2007 John McG

Posted in Christianist, Sullivan |

I mean, if they can get a letter to the editor containing religious bigotry printed in the Charlottesville Daily Progress, can anyone deny the threat any longer?

Can mandatory Church attendance for all Americans be far behind?

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"Christianist" nonsense

December 16th, 2006 John McG

Posted in Christianist, Sullivan, politics |

Andrew Sullivan has posted some defenses of his offensive and ridiculous “Christianist” term for those he doesn’t like.

To pick of the low-hanging fruit, let’s start with this reader’s defense of the term:

“Christianist” is a strictly neutral term - it describes a specific political position about the relationship between Christian faith and the state. If I actually believed that Christianity is the one true religion, and that the US government should be based on my understanding of the dictates of Christianity, I’d think that Christianist would correctly describe me, and I wouldn’t take offense. If you had said something like “evil Christianists,” then I’d take offense.

Bullshit.

Sullivan meand the term to sting. And he means it to sting by bringing to mind “Islamist,” which is a term that descibes people who, among other things, have killed large numbers of Americans and would like to kill more.

If “Christianist” is merely a neutral descriptive term without any perjorative connotation, like, say, “left-handed,” then it should be easy to find a post on Sullivan’s blog where he is complimentary of either the movement or someone he describes using the term.

You’llbe looking for a while, though, because no matter how much Sullivan tries to offer non-perjorative definitions of the term, he uses it as a smear, and to create in people’s minds a moral equivalence between people who want to kill Americans, and people who don’t see what the big deal is about a nativity scene in the town square.

Then there’s this reader’s defense, which I’m not sure I completely understand — the gist seems to be that if Islamists don’t mind being called Islamists, then Christianists shouldn’t mind being called Christianists, and their objection to it proves they’re no better (and in fact worse) than Islamists. I think I’ve already given this more time and attention than it deserves.

Finally, we’ve got Sullivan’s own defense.

First he starts with the tired, it’s-just-desriptive-not-a-smear stuff that is bullshit.

But here’s the core:

realize, after reading countless emails on the matter, that the real source of offense is my equating Islam and Christianity as interchangeable religious beliefs, for the purposes of politics. I see them as potentially equally threatening to freedom. History suggests that both have been deployed in the service of terrifying dictatorships, mass murder and religious war. In some ways, Christianity’s record in this is actually worse than Islam’s. This is not a reflection on the utterly peaceful intent of Jesus of Nazareth, but, then, he was also adamant on separating religion from politics. It is a reflection on the profound danger of fusing faith and power. If I’m right, the offense is mainly taken by Christians who simply refuse to see their faith as equally valid as Islam. They are offended that a Christian could even be equated with a Muslim. Which means, I believe, that they have not begun to understand the meaning of toleration at the core of Christianity, let alone the central insight of liberal constitutionalism. Hence our political and religious crisis.

There is a kernel of truth here — any religious follower obviously believes his is the true faith and, thus, others are incorrect and inferior.

But I don’t see why this is no antithetical to Jesus’s message. I don’t remember Jesus ever saying anything like, “it really doesn’t matter if you believe in me or not.” He said some things that are pretty exclusionary — “Unless you eat of my flesh and drink of my blood, you shall not have life within you.” So, I don’t buy that Christian exceptionism is some malevolent innovation of the Religious Right.

Next, the offense isn’t that Christians don’t like being equated with Muslims — it’s that we don’t like being conflated with a movement with which we are currently at war. And, it’s baloney.

Go ahead, Andrew, pick your favorite “Christianist” bogeyman — maybe some mix of John Ashcroft and Rick Santorum. As a gay man, would you rather live under his rule, or the rule of even the mildest Islamist regime. Would you rather be a Muslim living under Christianist rule or a Christian living under Islamist rule?

The answer is obvious, which is why your sloppiliy grouping them together is so offensive.

BTW, when he’s not warning of the gathering Christianist storm resulting from people fusing religion and politics, Sullivan has been trying to drive a wedge between Christians and the Mormon Mitt Romney, and calling same sex marriage advocates who decline the opportunity to kick the pregnant Mary Cheney “closet tolerants.”

The implication of the latter is that there can be no gap between what is condemned and what is socially normalized — there is no grey area.

And there is no gap between private values and public policy. If you don’t want to personally condemn Mary Cheney, then you must support same sex marriage.

But someone with a deeply held religious belief that life begins at conception should work for justice for them?

Hey - maybe conservatives aren’t condemning Mary Cheney because they have a healthy sense of doubt about their views.

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